BIL Lesson 28/12/2006
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cascade: Welcome everyone
cascade: I hope you enjoyed the tournament
Jimmy V: ty
Jimmy V: yes
cascade: I have been publishing the hands and text from these lesson on a blog ...
cascade: www.bridgelessons.blogspot.com
cascade: so you can review the lessons again later
Fazza: great:)
cybershot2: very handy :)
cascade: all (actually most) comments made at the table will be recorded there
cascade: which means if you don't want your comments recorded either ...
cascade: 1. don't say anything
cascade: or 2. let me know and I will see if I can edit them out
cascade: I would much prefer not to do 2. as that is more work for me
cascade: Lets make a start ....
cascade: === Board One ===
| Brd 1 ♠ 3 North ♥ Q42 None ♦ J764 ♣ AJT84 cascade ♠ KT62 ♠ J985 ♥ AJ753 ♥ KT9 ♦ --- ♦ AKT9 ♣ Q963 ♣ K7 cascade cascade ♠ AQ74 ♥ 86 ♦ Q8532 ♣ 52 cascade | West | North | East | South |
| Pass | 1♦ | Pass | ||
| 1♥ | Pass | 1♠ | Pass | |
| 4♠ | Pass | Pass | Pass | |
cascade: East's rebid is a matter of style ...
cascade: some recommend 1NT to show your shape ...
cascade: and others 1♠ to show the four-card major
cascade: Unless you are an experienced partnership I like to rebid my major
cascade: I don't want to play in 1NT when we have a 4-4 spade fit ...
cascade: and with a weak no trump hand a part-score is reasonably likely
cascade: West has spade support and is somewhere between 3♠ - Invitational - and 4♠ - game values
cascade: I'd be happy bidding 4♠ if my void wasn't in diamonds - partner's first bid suit
cascade: and I might bid 4♠ anyway
cascade: hands with voids can be very hard to evaluate
cascade: so if I am close to game I tend to just bid game and hope
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
cybershot2: I have a hypothetical question here,,,since my p opened 1nt
->cybershot2: sure
cybershot2: 2♣ stayman then after 2♠ response 4♠ correct bid?
->cybershot2: that looks normal
cybershot2: ty
Jimmy V: nty
cascade: declarer might need to get the ♥Q right to make
rq4mulae: interesting play here, Wayne. why does N let trick go?
cascade: on a club lead North should 'finesse' against the dummy
cascade: if you go up with the ace then you make two tricks for declarer - ♣ K and ♣ Q
rq4mulae: that's what happened only time 4S failed. something we need to learn.
cascade: now the best defense is another club
cascade: and that solves declarer's heart problem
BILmanager (Lobby): => Club: ♦♦*Cascade's Teaching Table now open in the BIL - hand review - all welcome ♦♦
cascade: some recommend 1NT to show your shape ...
cascade: and others 1♠ to show the four-card major
cascade: Unless you are an experienced partnership I like to rebid my major
cascade: I don't want to play in 1NT when we have a 4-4 spade fit ...
cascade: and with a weak no trump hand a part-score is reasonably likely
cascade: West has spade support and is somewhere between 3♠ - Invitational - and 4♠ - game values
cascade: I'd be happy bidding 4♠ if my void wasn't in diamonds - partner's first bid suit
cascade: and I might bid 4♠ anyway
cascade: hands with voids can be very hard to evaluate
cascade: so if I am close to game I tend to just bid game and hope
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
cybershot2: I have a hypothetical question here,,,since my p opened 1nt
->cybershot2: sure
cybershot2: 2♣ stayman then after 2♠ response 4♠ correct bid?
->cybershot2: that looks normal
cybershot2: ty
Jimmy V: nty
cascade: declarer might need to get the ♥Q right to make
rq4mulae: interesting play here, Wayne. why does N let trick go?
cascade: on a club lead North should 'finesse' against the dummy
cascade: if you go up with the ace then you make two tricks for declarer - ♣ K and ♣ Q
rq4mulae: that's what happened only time 4S failed. something we need to learn.
cascade: now the best defense is another club
cascade: and that solves declarer's heart problem
BILmanager (Lobby): => Club: ♦♦*Cascade's Teaching Table now open in the BIL - hand review - all welcome ♦♦
=== Board Two ===
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| Brd 2 ♠ AQ542 East ♥ AJT52 NS ♦ K4 ♣ A cascade ♠ JT876 ♠ 3 ♥ 76 ♥ 43 ♦ T ♦ AJ9852 ♣ KJ854 ♣ T973 cascade cascade ♠ K9 ♥ KQ98 ♦ Q763 ♣ Q62 cascade | West | North | East | South |
| 2♦ | Pass | |||
| Pass | 3♦ | Pass | 4♥ | |
| Pass | Pass | Pass | ||
cascade: East is a little light for a weak two - only five points
cascade: but I would always open this hand ...
cascade: 1. i have a little extra distribution
LadyStar17: how are you??
cascade: 2. the vulnerability is favourable
fub_45: hiya..many happy returns 2 u 2
cascade: 3. first seat is the best seat to pre-empt in my view
->LadyStar17: well thanks Rosemary. How are you?
->fub_45: thanks Louise same to you :-)
fub_45: oppps..lol
cascade: South is best to pass
cascade: as is west - no point getting into more trouble
cascade: North has a very nice hand with two good five-card majors
cascade: You can play Michaels Cue-Bids over weak two
LadyStar17: Hope Santa was very good to you and that you have a happy and prosperous New Year
rq4mulae: in balancing rather than direct seat?
cascade: although some play a cue-bid as asking for a stopper
cascade: so you need to discuss this in a regular partnership and be careful in a pick-up partnership
cascade: it's certainly worth discussing since it is nice (and efficient) to have a way to show two five-card suits at once
cascade: South has an easy 4♥ when partner shows both majors
dee_dee_20: someone said it is another way of counting HCP plus controls using A=2 K=1
cascade: and North is close to inviting slam
cascade: but i am not sure it is clear especially with ♦ Kx sitting under the diamond bidder
cascade: slam would fail on ♦A and another lead
boblen (Lobby): Where do I find the Beginner/Intermediate Lounge?
cascade: actually a low diamond from the other side
->boblen: what version of the software do you have
dae: how would you invite slam?
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
dae: see id he answers-I asked
cascade: any bid by north over 4♥ would be a slam try ...
cascade: given that he has already shown two five-card suits
WSue601: how many pts does michael's promise?
FREDOL->Club: no tak zagramy troche na WP bo tu jest lekcja czy póxniej trochê ??
cascade: I play that it always shows a constructive hand
peterb370c: 6NT by north?
cascade: here at the three-level that means close to an opening hand or better
cascade: 6NT is a pipedream sort of stuff ...
cascade: and fails on a club lead ...
cascade: if you are going to bid that well then I should be allowed to make the killing lead ;-)
peterb370c: lol
cascade: actually with spades not breaking there are not close to 12 tricks in NTs I think
cascade: but I would always open this hand ...
cascade: 1. i have a little extra distribution
LadyStar17: how are you??
cascade: 2. the vulnerability is favourable
fub_45: hiya..many happy returns 2 u 2
cascade: 3. first seat is the best seat to pre-empt in my view
->LadyStar17: well thanks Rosemary. How are you?
->fub_45: thanks Louise same to you :-)
fub_45: oppps..lol
cascade: South is best to pass
cascade: as is west - no point getting into more trouble
cascade: North has a very nice hand with two good five-card majors
cascade: You can play Michaels Cue-Bids over weak two
LadyStar17: Hope Santa was very good to you and that you have a happy and prosperous New Year
rq4mulae: in balancing rather than direct seat?
cascade: although some play a cue-bid as asking for a stopper
cascade: so you need to discuss this in a regular partnership and be careful in a pick-up partnership
cascade: it's certainly worth discussing since it is nice (and efficient) to have a way to show two five-card suits at once
cascade: South has an easy 4♥ when partner shows both majors
dee_dee_20: someone said it is another way of counting HCP plus controls using A=2 K=1
cascade: and North is close to inviting slam
cascade: but i am not sure it is clear especially with ♦ Kx sitting under the diamond bidder
cascade: slam would fail on ♦A and another lead
boblen (Lobby): Where do I find the Beginner/Intermediate Lounge?
cascade: actually a low diamond from the other side
->boblen: what version of the software do you have
dae: how would you invite slam?
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
dae: see id he answers-I asked
cascade: any bid by north over 4♥ would be a slam try ...
cascade: given that he has already shown two five-card suits
WSue601: how many pts does michael's promise?
FREDOL->Club: no tak zagramy troche na WP bo tu jest lekcja czy póxniej trochê ??
cascade: I play that it always shows a constructive hand
peterb370c: 6NT by north?
cascade: here at the three-level that means close to an opening hand or better
cascade: 6NT is a pipedream sort of stuff ...
cascade: and fails on a club lead ...
cascade: if you are going to bid that well then I should be allowed to make the killing lead ;-)
peterb370c: lol
cascade: actually with spades not breaking there are not close to 12 tricks in NTs I think
=== Board Three ===
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| Brd 3 ♠ J7 South ♥ J54 EW ♦ AQJ62 ♣ A32 cascade ♠ 853 ♠ Q94 ♥ AKT87 ♥ 92 ♦ 9 ♦ KT874 ♣ K987 ♣ T65 cascade cascade ♠ AKT62 ♥ Q63 ♦ 53 ♣ QJ4 cascade | West | North | East | South |
| 1♠ | ||||
| Pass | 2♦ | Pass | 2♠ | |
| Pass | 3♣ | Pass | 3NT | |
| Pass | Pass | Pass | ||
cascade: West is marginal for a 2♥ overcall
cascade: a good suit and some distribution
cascade: but the vulnerability is dangerous
cascade: the vulnerability is a two-edged sword here ...
cascade: vulnerable we want to be more aggressive bidding our games (at IMPs not MPs)
cascade: but we also want to avoid multiples of -100 if we go down in a part-score
cascade: since the opponents open and we are minimum game is less likely
cascade: so I think pass is reasonable
cascade: South's rebid is an awkward part of SAYC
cascade: north's 2/1 promises another bid
cascade: so if South rebids 2NT with a minimum and North has only around 11 hcp there is a danger that NS will get too high
cascade: some therefore rebid 2♠ with any minimum (without four hearts or diamonds to raise) and require 2NT to show a little extra strength - say a good 13 or 14 hcp
cascade: I like that style
cascade: again it is something that you will want to discuss in your regular partnerships
cascade: North has enough for game
mulefloyd: why wouldn't N bid 3NT?
cascade: he has a choice of rebids ...
cascade: 1. raising spades
cascade: 2. 3NT
cascade: or 3. show a clubs stopper with 3♣
cascade: opener might have six spades and north doesn't have a heart stopper so 3♣ is more flexible - showing something in clubs
cascade: but 3NT is ok too I suppose
cascade: South sort of has a heart stopper so bids 3NT - nothing else is attractive
cascade: I would lead a low heart
cascade: and 3NT will depend on declarer guessing to take the club finesse (and spade finesse) and not a diamond finesse
cascade: i confess I would take a diamond finesse
rigour6: why does E play 9♥ rather than 2?
cascade: since if it works then I might make lots of tricks
mulefloyd: before clubs
->rigour6: you can play the two if you want
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
dae: not lead a low S to J?
BnBeever: is it not good practice there to lead the Q♣ to see if it gets covered?
nyleh: yes - if west did overcall 2h, what wuld be north's bid?
BnBeever: going up with ace if it doesnt
BnBeever: if it does get covered, you can then go for the ♠ finesse - likely to work given W is marked with AK♥ & already shown K♣
cascade: I would double if West overcalled ...
cascade: or bid 3♦ natural and forcing
cascade: either will work
nyleh: Ty
cascade: if I double then i will follow it up with 3♥ asking for a stopper
cascade: Please if you are asking questions make them public
cascade: then everyone can see and it makes it easier for me - less typing
kermit: no i don't think i will ;-)
BnBeever: sry - shall i copy & paste?
cascade: definitely i would not lead a spade to the jack here
whoruneway->Club: need 2 to my table please
cascade: that gives East or West a sure entry and then you will go down immediately
BnBeever: is it not good practice there to lead the Q♣ to see if it gets covered?
cascade: the ♣Q could be worthwhile
BnBeever: going up with ace whether it's covered or not
BnBeever: if it does get covered, you can then go for the ♠ finesse - likely to work given W is marked with AK♥ & already shown K♣
cascade: but if spades and diamonds both didn't break then you have lost your chance to take the club finesse later
cascade: you might make if all three finesses work with three spades three diamonds one heart and two clubs
cascade: next hand ...
cascade: a good suit and some distribution
cascade: but the vulnerability is dangerous
cascade: the vulnerability is a two-edged sword here ...
cascade: vulnerable we want to be more aggressive bidding our games (at IMPs not MPs)
cascade: but we also want to avoid multiples of -100 if we go down in a part-score
cascade: since the opponents open and we are minimum game is less likely
cascade: so I think pass is reasonable
cascade: South's rebid is an awkward part of SAYC
cascade: north's 2/1 promises another bid
cascade: so if South rebids 2NT with a minimum and North has only around 11 hcp there is a danger that NS will get too high
cascade: some therefore rebid 2♠ with any minimum (without four hearts or diamonds to raise) and require 2NT to show a little extra strength - say a good 13 or 14 hcp
cascade: I like that style
cascade: again it is something that you will want to discuss in your regular partnerships
cascade: North has enough for game
mulefloyd: why wouldn't N bid 3NT?
cascade: he has a choice of rebids ...
cascade: 1. raising spades
cascade: 2. 3NT
cascade: or 3. show a clubs stopper with 3♣
cascade: opener might have six spades and north doesn't have a heart stopper so 3♣ is more flexible - showing something in clubs
cascade: but 3NT is ok too I suppose
cascade: South sort of has a heart stopper so bids 3NT - nothing else is attractive
cascade: I would lead a low heart
cascade: and 3NT will depend on declarer guessing to take the club finesse (and spade finesse) and not a diamond finesse
cascade: i confess I would take a diamond finesse
rigour6: why does E play 9♥ rather than 2?
cascade: since if it works then I might make lots of tricks
mulefloyd: before clubs
->rigour6: you can play the two if you want
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
dae: not lead a low S to J?
BnBeever: is it not good practice there to lead the Q♣ to see if it gets covered?
nyleh: yes - if west did overcall 2h, what wuld be north's bid?
BnBeever: going up with ace if it doesnt
BnBeever: if it does get covered, you can then go for the ♠ finesse - likely to work given W is marked with AK♥ & already shown K♣
cascade: I would double if West overcalled ...
cascade: or bid 3♦ natural and forcing
cascade: either will work
nyleh: Ty
cascade: if I double then i will follow it up with 3♥ asking for a stopper
cascade: Please if you are asking questions make them public
cascade: then everyone can see and it makes it easier for me - less typing
kermit: no i don't think i will ;-)
BnBeever: sry - shall i copy & paste?
cascade: definitely i would not lead a spade to the jack here
whoruneway->Club: need 2 to my table please
cascade: that gives East or West a sure entry and then you will go down immediately
BnBeever: is it not good practice there to lead the Q♣ to see if it gets covered?
cascade: the ♣Q could be worthwhile
BnBeever: going up with ace whether it's covered or not
BnBeever: if it does get covered, you can then go for the ♠ finesse - likely to work given W is marked with AK♥ & already shown K♣
cascade: but if spades and diamonds both didn't break then you have lost your chance to take the club finesse later
cascade: you might make if all three finesses work with three spades three diamonds one heart and two clubs
cascade: next hand ...
=== Board Four ===
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| Brd 4 ♠ QJ95 West ♥ Q5 All ♦ KJ952 ♣ A5 cascade ♠ T63 ♠ AK4 ♥ JT72 ♥ A843 ♦ A864 ♦ Q ♣ KT ♣ Q8742 cascade cascade ♠ 872 ♥ K96 ♦ T73 ♣ J963 cascade | West | North | East | South |
| Pass | 1♦ | Dbl | Pass | |
| 2♥ | Pass | 4♥ | Pass | |
| Pass | Pass | |||
cascade: East is close enough to an ideal takeout double
cascade: definitely i think double is better than overcalling the bad club suit
cascade: 8 points with West is close to needing to jump to 2♥
mulefloyd: does double show at least 3 in each suit
cascade: you might survive with 1♥
BnBeever: is south not worth an obstructive 2♦ after the double?
cascade: but in response to a takeout double a jump shows a few extra values
cascade: say 8-10 at the two level
cascade: and a little more if you have to jump to the three-level
cascade: East has some extra values of his own and a fit for hearts
cascade: so can bid game knowing that West has some values
cascade: possibly a conservative East might only invite
cascade: but vulenerable at IMPs you should be optimistic in bidding your games
cascade: you only need about a 35% chance of making to justify bidding a vul game
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
BnBeever: In SAYC, can S bid 2♦ to show a weak hand?
BnBeever: purely to obstruct opposition
cascade: no
cascade: i mean yes ...
cascade: but he will mislead his partner badly
mulefloyd->Club: with only 3?
cascade: so no!!!
BnBeever: k tx
cascade: a raise shows around 6-9 with 4 (or sometimes you might judge you need 5) diamonds
cascade: so this hand is not close
cascade: and you have horrible distribution for a suit contract 4-3-3-3 yuk!!!
cascade: and you are vulnerable
BnBeever: y a risk too far agreed
cascade: definitely i think double is better than overcalling the bad club suit
cascade: 8 points with West is close to needing to jump to 2♥
mulefloyd: does double show at least 3 in each suit
cascade: you might survive with 1♥
BnBeever: is south not worth an obstructive 2♦ after the double?
cascade: but in response to a takeout double a jump shows a few extra values
cascade: say 8-10 at the two level
cascade: and a little more if you have to jump to the three-level
cascade: East has some extra values of his own and a fit for hearts
cascade: so can bid game knowing that West has some values
cascade: possibly a conservative East might only invite
cascade: but vulenerable at IMPs you should be optimistic in bidding your games
cascade: you only need about a 35% chance of making to justify bidding a vul game
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
BnBeever: In SAYC, can S bid 2♦ to show a weak hand?
BnBeever: purely to obstruct opposition
cascade: no
cascade: i mean yes ...
cascade: but he will mislead his partner badly
mulefloyd->Club: with only 3?
cascade: so no!!!
BnBeever: k tx
cascade: a raise shows around 6-9 with 4 (or sometimes you might judge you need 5) diamonds
cascade: so this hand is not close
cascade: and you have horrible distribution for a suit contract 4-3-3-3 yuk!!!
cascade: and you are vulnerable
BnBeever: y a risk too far agreed
=== Board Five ===
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| Brd 5 ♠ AJT86 North ♥ Q93 NS ♦ Q92 ♣ K9 cascade ♠ Q43 ♠ 92 ♥ A54 ♥ KT2 ♦ 65 ♦ K8743 ♣ AQT87 ♣ 653 cascade cascade ♠ K75 ♥ J876 ♦ AJT ♣ J42 cascade | West | North | East | South |
| 1♠ | Pass | 2♠ | ||
| Pass | Pass | Pass | ||
cascade: 10 points 3-4-3-3 you can down-grade a little
cascade: and raise to just 2♠
cascade: or possibly bid 1NT
cascade: this might get passed out
cascade: an aggressive West might bid 3♣
cascade: 3♣ is reasonable
cascade: the vulnerability is favourable
cascade: and it will help partner who will be on lead against a likely 3♠ or 4♠
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
mulefloyd: then could S bid 3S?
mulefloyd: after 3C?
cascade: could do
cascade: with bad distribution it could be best to defend
cybershot2: 4♠ makes shouldnt you bid it?
cascade: 12 opposite 10 in two balanced hands
cascade: i wouldn't be too worried if it makes
cascade: if i bid this one that makes then i think i will end up bidding a lot that fail
BnBeever: with 3 out of 3 finesses working, it's not surprising it makes
cascade: it makes when the diamond finesse works
cascade: the club finesse works
cascade: the trump finesse works
cascade: and noone gets a heart ruff
cascade: i am very happy being only in 2♠ thank you very much
cybershot2: ok ty
plaur: and you also need a ♥ trick
cascade: yes so you actually need to guess the ♥10 too
cascade: i think that is worse than 6%
cascade: and raise to just 2♠
cascade: or possibly bid 1NT
cascade: this might get passed out
cascade: an aggressive West might bid 3♣
cascade: 3♣ is reasonable
cascade: the vulnerability is favourable
cascade: and it will help partner who will be on lead against a likely 3♠ or 4♠
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
mulefloyd: then could S bid 3S?
mulefloyd: after 3C?
cascade: could do
cascade: with bad distribution it could be best to defend
cybershot2: 4♠ makes shouldnt you bid it?
cascade: 12 opposite 10 in two balanced hands
cascade: i wouldn't be too worried if it makes
cascade: if i bid this one that makes then i think i will end up bidding a lot that fail
BnBeever: with 3 out of 3 finesses working, it's not surprising it makes
cascade: it makes when the diamond finesse works
cascade: the club finesse works
cascade: the trump finesse works
cascade: and noone gets a heart ruff
cascade: i am very happy being only in 2♠ thank you very much
cybershot2: ok ty
plaur: and you also need a ♥ trick
cascade: yes so you actually need to guess the ♥10 too
cascade: i think that is worse than 6%
=== Board Six ===
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| Brd 6 ♠ KT985 East ♥ KQ732 EW ♦ 83 ♣ Q cascade ♠ A763 ♠ 2 ♥ JT5 ♥ A86 ♦ QJ ♦ AKT954 ♣ KJ43 ♣ 765 cascade cascade ♠ QJ4 ♥ 94 ♦ 762 ♣ AT982 cascade | West | North | East | South |
| 1♦ | Pass | |||
| 1♠ | 2♥ | Pass | Pass | |
| Dbl | Pass | 3♦ | Pass | |
| 3♥ | Pass | 3NT | Pass | |
| Pass | Pass | |||
gaya (Lobby): Happy New year dear :)
->gaya: merci - happy new year to you too
cascade: North might bid
cascade: but it can get awkward with this sort of hand if you don't find a fit
cascade: but with that much distribution you might have a game
kasey28: looks like N/S have ♠ fit
cascade: they do but it is hard to get there if the opponents bid spades first
kasey28: yep:(
cascade: East might be tempted to bid 3♦ - I would (be tempted) - but I think it is standard that that should show extra values
cascade: and west has nearly enough for game (opposite an opening hand)
cascade: but no long suit, no diamond fit, no heart stopper
cascade: double now should be competitive
cascade: asking partner for further description
Jazzfan (Lobby): Hi
cascade: West might give up when East shows long diamonds
cascade: or could force to game by asking for a heart stopper with 3♥
cascade: this should make
gaya: does it promise half a stopper ?
cascade: six diamonds two aces and either a 2nd heart (♥9 lead) or the time to lead up to the ♣K
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
BnBeever: how does E know that W's double was competitive rather than pens?
cascade: by advanced agreement
BnBeever: can't he use the fact that W bypassed 1♥?
cascade: I play all doubles of suits by unlimited hands below game are takeout
BnBeever: does the vulnerabilty ever affect the meaning of a double?
cascade: except that you would bypass 1♥ with five or more spades and four good hearts
cascade: that is too complicated for me ...
cybershot2: ;)
cascade: i just play the same way whatever the vul (in almost all situations)
cascade: but it does affect my judgement
cascade: basically if you have hearts you can bid NTs ...
cascade: if you don't have hearts you might be struggling for a bid ...
cascade: so it is good to play these doubles as competitive
whoruneway->Club: need 1 to my table please
BnBeever: Maureen tells me my questions are confusing the issues. My apologies.
BILmanager: I have told him to be quiet
cascade: thanks everyone for coming ...
BILmanager: ♦♦ Thank you Wayne for all your time and help during 2006 - Happy New Year from the BIL
cybershot2: thanks
cascade: the lesson hands and text will be published here www.bridgelessons.blogspot.com
nyleh: thnks wayne; good lesson
rq4mulae: ty, Wayne.
Fazza: many thanks Wayne:)
cascade: probably later today
MikeJ: Why does the three heart bid ask for a stopper rather than indicated stopper?
cascade: good question Mike ...
cascade: with a stopper you would bid NTs
cascade: without a stopper you have nothing to bid
BnBeever: thanks for your answers tho - I am still learning too and am only intermediate (or beginner) with SAYC.
BILmanager: is that the web address you want on your profile ?
cascade: so it is best used this way around
MikeJ: But you have 2 unknown suits
khan3: yes i think so too
->BILmanager: can do
rq4mulae: when, if ever, should Eastern Cue (showing) be used?
cascade: but only one that the opponents have bid
MikeJ: I would not bid No Trump with a heartstopper when clubs are unknown
cascade: some partnerships show when there are two suits that have been *bid* by the opponents
MikeJ: So I would interpret the three heart bid as indicating a stopper
cascade: that is a common agreement especially in North America
rq4mulae: good. ty
cascade: you could extend that to when there are two suits (one of which has been bid by the opponents)
cascade: Lets finish
cascade: thanks again everyone
cascade: and thanks to the BIL for hosting these sessions
MikeJ: Thank you for your time Wayne!
BILmanager: Happy New Year
peterb370c: ty wayne and happy 2007
Jimmy V->Club: ty Wayne
MikeJ: And thank you Maureen as well :-)
Jimmy V: uyes
cascade: Happy New Year everyone
->gaya: merci - happy new year to you too
cascade: North might bid
cascade: but it can get awkward with this sort of hand if you don't find a fit
cascade: but with that much distribution you might have a game
kasey28: looks like N/S have ♠ fit
cascade: they do but it is hard to get there if the opponents bid spades first
kasey28: yep:(
cascade: East might be tempted to bid 3♦ - I would (be tempted) - but I think it is standard that that should show extra values
cascade: and west has nearly enough for game (opposite an opening hand)
cascade: but no long suit, no diamond fit, no heart stopper
cascade: double now should be competitive
cascade: asking partner for further description
Jazzfan (Lobby): Hi
cascade: West might give up when East shows long diamonds
cascade: or could force to game by asking for a heart stopper with 3♥
cascade: this should make
gaya: does it promise half a stopper ?
cascade: six diamonds two aces and either a 2nd heart (♥9 lead) or the time to lead up to the ♣K
cascade: any questions?
cascade: ===========
BnBeever: how does E know that W's double was competitive rather than pens?
cascade: by advanced agreement
BnBeever: can't he use the fact that W bypassed 1♥?
cascade: I play all doubles of suits by unlimited hands below game are takeout
BnBeever: does the vulnerabilty ever affect the meaning of a double?
cascade: except that you would bypass 1♥ with five or more spades and four good hearts
cascade: that is too complicated for me ...
cybershot2: ;)
cascade: i just play the same way whatever the vul (in almost all situations)
cascade: but it does affect my judgement
cascade: basically if you have hearts you can bid NTs ...
cascade: if you don't have hearts you might be struggling for a bid ...
cascade: so it is good to play these doubles as competitive
whoruneway->Club: need 1 to my table please
BnBeever: Maureen tells me my questions are confusing the issues. My apologies.
BILmanager: I have told him to be quiet
cascade: thanks everyone for coming ...
BILmanager: ♦♦ Thank you Wayne for all your time and help during 2006 - Happy New Year from the BIL
cybershot2: thanks
cascade: the lesson hands and text will be published here www.bridgelessons.blogspot.com
nyleh: thnks wayne; good lesson
rq4mulae: ty, Wayne.
Fazza: many thanks Wayne:)
cascade: probably later today
MikeJ: Why does the three heart bid ask for a stopper rather than indicated stopper?
cascade: good question Mike ...
cascade: with a stopper you would bid NTs
cascade: without a stopper you have nothing to bid
BnBeever: thanks for your answers tho - I am still learning too and am only intermediate (or beginner) with SAYC.
BILmanager: is that the web address you want on your profile ?
cascade: so it is best used this way around
MikeJ: But you have 2 unknown suits
khan3: yes i think so too
->BILmanager: can do
rq4mulae: when, if ever, should Eastern Cue (showing) be used?
cascade: but only one that the opponents have bid
MikeJ: I would not bid No Trump with a heartstopper when clubs are unknown
cascade: some partnerships show when there are two suits that have been *bid* by the opponents
MikeJ: So I would interpret the three heart bid as indicating a stopper
cascade: that is a common agreement especially in North America
rq4mulae: good. ty
cascade: you could extend that to when there are two suits (one of which has been bid by the opponents)
cascade: Lets finish
cascade: thanks again everyone
cascade: and thanks to the BIL for hosting these sessions
MikeJ: Thank you for your time Wayne!
BILmanager: Happy New Year
peterb370c: ty wayne and happy 2007
Jimmy V->Club: ty Wayne
MikeJ: And thank you Maureen as well :-)
Jimmy V: uyes
cascade: Happy New Year everyone
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